Comments on: Does Amanda Chapel matter? http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/ Marketing. Social Media. Humanity. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 2010: Will Your Biz Fight or Flourish? | Suddenly Marketing http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-6807 2010: Will Your Biz Fight or Flourish? | Suddenly Marketing Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:12:25 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-6807 [...] was tough to hear that alarm go off, an intriguing post by Savvy friend Mark W. Schaefer entitled “Does Amanda Chapel Matter?” jumpstarted my brain and kept me mulling through Kindergarten drop-off, my exercise class, and a [...] [...] was tough to hear that alarm go off, an intriguing post by Savvy friend Mark W. Schaefer entitled “Does Amanda Chapel Matter?” jumpstarted my brain and kept me mulling through Kindergarten drop-off, my exercise class, and a [...]

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]]> By: Bill Sledzik http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1844 Bill Sledzik Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:12:21 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1844 So sorry I missed this discussion, Mark, but I was in the frigid north country of Minnesota, disconnected from the world and lovin' life. As a fan of Amanda's for a long time, I've taken a good bit of heat for defending her. It's nice to see the blogosphere has mellowed a bit on the topic. Time and maturity provide that kind of perspective. Most of what had to be said has already been said here, so I'll leave you with a tangential point. Part of what made Strumpette work so well was excellent writing that came from bloggers (that's the "we" part) who were extremely well read and who understood critical thinking and how to couch it in satire! Amanda broke my heart when she ended Strumpette, and I still miss the little vixen. If any readers come back to this comment, they might enjoy my post from 2+ years ago. I called it "One PR man's sordid affair with Amanda Chapel." http://bit.ly/6dedd So sorry I missed this discussion, Mark, but I was in the frigid north country of Minnesota, disconnected from the world and lovin’ life.

As a fan of Amanda’s for a long time, I’ve taken a good bit of heat for defending her. It’s nice to see the blogosphere has mellowed a bit on the topic. Time and maturity provide that kind of perspective.

Most of what had to be said has already been said here, so I’ll leave you with a tangential point. Part of what made Strumpette work so well was excellent writing that came from bloggers (that’s the “we” part) who were extremely well read and who understood critical thinking and how to couch it in satire!

Amanda broke my heart when she ended Strumpette, and I still miss the little vixen. If any readers come back to this comment, they might enjoy my post from 2+ years ago. I called it “One PR man’s sordid affair with Amanda Chapel.”
http://bit.ly/6dedd

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]]> By: Steve Dodd http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1760 Steve Dodd Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:06:47 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1760 @ike -totally agree and as @mike clearly proves, our "friends" Amanda are still very, very relevant! @ike -totally agree and as @mike clearly proves, our “friends” Amanda are still very, very relevant!

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]]> By: Ike http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1759 Ike Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:57:41 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1759 @Steve Dodd --- Amanda has many recurring themes, but you hint at one of the core: The Echo Chamber. Her rants were most appropriate when targeted at those who had no grounding in real business culture, real fiduciary responsibility, or tangible experience. She held them in the same regard as empty revolutionaries who want to transform society to match their naive notions of business and commerce - or the armchair quarterback who has grand ideas for the 12th, 13th, and 14th players on the field. What football needs is more strikeouts. @Steve Dodd —

Amanda has many recurring themes, but you hint at one of the core: The Echo Chamber.

Her rants were most appropriate when targeted at those who had no grounding in real business culture, real fiduciary responsibility, or tangible experience.

She held them in the same regard as empty revolutionaries who want to transform society to match their naive notions of business and commerce – or the armchair quarterback who has grand ideas for the 12th, 13th, and 14th players on the field. What football needs is more strikeouts.

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]]> By: Steve Dodd http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1758 Steve Dodd Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:05:34 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1758 @Mike - your opinion, coming from a non-social media industry perspective, is quite grounding and refreshing. Are the "Social Media Elite" spending too much time talking about and to themselves thereby missing what is really happening? It's interesting to me that you are a fairly active blogger (about real things not SM chatter) and Twitter user but have never heard of or pay attention to the predominant SM industry thought leaders........... @mark - you may have another really interesting candidate here that can discuss the grass roots SM value proposition @Mike – your opinion, coming from a non-social media industry perspective, is quite grounding and refreshing. Are the “Social Media Elite” spending too much time talking about and to themselves thereby missing what is really happening? It’s interesting to me that you are a fairly active blogger (about real things not SM chatter) and Twitter user but have never heard of or pay attention to the predominant SM industry thought leaders………..

@mark – you may have another really interesting candidate here that can discuss the grass roots SM value proposition

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]]> By: Mike Campbell http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1757 Mike Campbell Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:53:42 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1757 Before reading this post, I had not heard of Amanda Chapel, Liz Strauss, Brian Solis, or Deepak Chopra. I don't follow Guy Kawasaki nor Chris Brogan. Very seldom do I see them retweeted in my Twitter stream. So, no, I don't think any of them matter. The business, or industry, of social media is a brand new, emerging market. I see the struggle for power and relevance only peripherally. That is, I occasionally see some content debating blog monetization or social media 'experts'. For the most part, it just a bunch of irrelevant opinions. The SM industry is too young to have meaningful data or proven results. It's all one big experiment with very few rules. Before reading this post, I had not heard of Amanda Chapel, Liz Strauss, Brian Solis, or Deepak Chopra. I don’t follow Guy Kawasaki nor Chris Brogan. Very seldom do I see them retweeted in my Twitter stream. So, no, I don’t think any of them matter.

The business, or industry, of social media is a brand new, emerging market. I see the struggle for power and relevance only peripherally. That is, I occasionally see some content debating blog monetization or social media ‘experts’. For the most part, it just a bunch of irrelevant opinions. The SM industry is too young to have meaningful data or proven results. It’s all one big experiment with very few rules.

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]]> By: Carla Bobka http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1730 Carla Bobka Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:55:05 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1730 When the emperor has no clothes does it matter? To everyone? Some folks like hanging out with naked people, lots of people actually pay for the thrill. Welcome to real community. Thanks for pointing them out, I'd no idea Amanda existed. Snarky or not, it's good to have an idea of who else is crawling the halls. Mark-let's make up a game to develop the personas we think might make up the 4-5 people behind Amanda Chapel. Clearly basketball fans. My guess, law school grads. "The power of the argument" sounds like professionally trained fighters. When the emperor has no clothes does it matter? To everyone? Some folks like hanging out with naked people, lots of people actually pay for the thrill. Welcome to real community.

Thanks for pointing them out, I’d no idea Amanda existed. Snarky or not, it’s good to have an idea of who else is crawling the halls.

Mark-let’s make up a game to develop the personas we think might make up the 4-5 people behind Amanda Chapel.

Clearly basketball fans.

My guess, law school grads. “The power of the argument” sounds like professionally trained fighters.

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]]> By: Jim LeBlanc http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1729 Jim LeBlanc Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:07 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1729 Agree with Moses. I get a lot out of this blog because of the topics you pose and the amazing commenters your topics attract. I have been following along for some time but had never heard of a lot of these great folks until this week. Glad to see the GROW group of intellects expanding!! Agree with Moses. I get a lot out of this blog because of the topics you pose and the amazing commenters your topics attract. I have been following along for some time but had never heard of a lot of these great folks until this week. Glad to see the GROW group of intellects expanding!!

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]]> By: mose http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1728 mose Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:43:57 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1728 Just thinkin - using the way-back machine to the glory days of online - the BBS - this was a rather exciting discourse! Mark thx for the initiative of getting this here - shows the true power of the net the common denominator and the voices and conversation - witnessed by your approach by the bloggers and my phone call in meat space. Boy is THIS The Cluetrain The issue I have always felt with the net vs say the BBS was that we can be anonymous on the Net - you could not be on a BBS - you had to validate your acount - or at least we did at MAGIC (Macintosh Awareness group in Canada) and we met face-toface we called em Mongles (online mingles) also the shear breadth and vastness of the Net. You see it in the posts here - some folks unaware of the AC personality. Much like most are unaware of moi or other folks here. And that is the point. We should be. We should form our communities based on connections, interests and maybe where we are this is the Social web. The A listers sadly have it all wrong. p Please do not try just to be famous for the sake of just being famous. Be famous for what ya know or be known for KNOWING something. I am constantly impressed by folks I find online who enrich my experience and in turn enrich me. They are very very high up in my esteem not for who they are, but that they are knowledgeable. I put the AC group in that category - and you as well Mark. Again many thanks. The posters here are now on my radar and will be looking forward to some great stuff. Oh for a small chuckle for any Canucks here - I just added a complete explanation of a Canadian Stimulus Package the Government is extending - http://mose.posterous.com/canadian-stimulus-package-explained Just thinkin – using the way-back machine to the glory days of online – the BBS – this was a rather exciting discourse! Mark thx for the initiative of getting this here – shows the true power of the net the common denominator and the voices and conversation – witnessed by your approach by the bloggers and my phone call in meat space. Boy is THIS The Cluetrain

The issue I have always felt with the net vs say the BBS was that we can be anonymous on the Net – you could not be on a BBS – you had to validate your acount – or at least we did at MAGIC (Macintosh Awareness group in Canada) and we met face-toface we called em Mongles (online mingles) also the shear breadth and vastness of the Net. You see it in the posts here – some folks unaware of the AC personality. Much like most are unaware of moi or other folks here. And that is the point. We should be. We should form our communities based on connections, interests and maybe where we are this is the Social web. The A listers sadly have it all wrong. p

Please do not try just to be famous for the sake of just being famous. Be famous for what ya know or be known for KNOWING something. I am constantly impressed by folks I find online who enrich my experience and in turn enrich me. They are very very high up in my esteem not for who they are, but that they are knowledgeable. I put the AC group in that category – and you as well Mark. Again many thanks. The posters here are now on my radar and will be looking forward to some great stuff.

Oh for a small chuckle for any Canucks here – I just added a complete explanation of a Canadian Stimulus Package the Government is extending –

http://mose.posterous.com/canadian-stimulus-package-explained

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]]> By: Mark http://www.businessesgrow.com/2010/01/03/does-amanda-chapel-matter/#comment-1727 Mark Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:58:41 +0000 http://businessesgrow.com/?p=1562#comment-1727 When I began this post, i had no idea how it would turn out or what the reaction would be, other than I expected Amanda's most frequent targets to stay away, which has turned out to be true. I have been a little surprised at the generally positive feedback. Is this because I set the tone with my opinion (imposing a little "group think" myself?), or is there a Fear Factor at work here? And what is the future of Amanda Chapel? Is giving an interview like this or calling up Mose a sign that the veil is lifting? Is the landscape of the social web changing in a way where her voice is less needed? Or will the validating feedback of this comment section embolden her to renew the Stumpette blog? Now that would be interesting! Only time will answer these questions, but I do appreciate the incredibly intelligent dialogue of your comments! Thank you! When I began this post, i had no idea how it would turn out or what the reaction would be, other than I expected Amanda’s most frequent targets to stay away, which has turned out to be true.

I have been a little surprised at the generally positive feedback. Is this because I set the tone with my opinion (imposing a little “group think” myself?), or is there a Fear Factor at work here?

And what is the future of Amanda Chapel? Is giving an interview like this or calling up Mose a sign that the veil is lifting? Is the landscape of the social web changing in a way where her voice is less needed? Or will the validating feedback of this comment section embolden her to renew the Stumpette blog? Now that would be interesting!

Only time will answer these questions, but I do appreciate the incredibly intelligent dialogue of your comments! Thank you!

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