The evolution of social media power and influence
Aug 14th
I was recently interviewed about Klout and social influence by Vinícius Cherobino of Galileu, a scientific magazine in Brazil. I thought his questions were especially good and wanted to share this content with you:
Galileu: How do you view the rankings and people’s influence score published on the Internet (such as Klout or Peer Index)? What are the main consequences of this process?
Schaefer: There are two quite interesting implications of this development. First, many people are upset over the fact that they are being publicly rated, evaluated and compared. The debates on this topic can be quite emotional! On the other hand, this is a historically important development for marketers. It’s certainly not a perfect system, but we are taking the first steps toward quantifying influence, or at least a small slice of it. Companies like Klout are in the silent movie stage. Let’s give them time to see how it works out.
We are currently seeing many companies creating their own influence rankings with their own methodology. How do you think this will evolve? Will it be a market with many players or only a few?
I think it will develop in several ways. Although in most industries there are frequently 2-3 strong competitors, on the Internet, typically just one company dominates a niche. We like to have companies compete for our money, but we don’t like it when they compete for our attention. Humans have limited time and attention and usually we focus on one platform over time. So I think a leading company will emerge. However, I think several niches could emerge too. The entry barriers are relatively low. So why wouldn’t we have applications rating teens, people in geographic regions, or single people?
After the evolution of influence scores, do you think it is possible to imagine every Internet user being judged by their position in the influence score (from possible employers to retail chains)?
There are limitless opportunities to use these scores. I heard of an interesting use where a company is looking at how connecting to people with high influence scores can affect the sentiment toward a company. It’s mashing up two fields. Learning who true influencers are is an incredibly useful tool for many companies in almost any industry.
You mentioned the beginnings of a caste system in the Internet through the scores. How deep can this system can be? Do you think that a regular user will be able to defend him/herself of that?
This is a development that I think will drive some crazy, and unfortunate, behavior. People who have high influence scores will get lots of valuable gifts, even trips and vacations. People with low scores will get nothing. What do you think will happen? The people who get nothing will try any crazy scheme possible to get something or they will become resentful of those who are getting the gifts. I recommend that people stay centered and just be themselves. However, I don’t think many people will follow that advice!
Some critics claimed that this kind of “influence ranking” tends to foster even more inequality on the web (VIPs have everything, regular users have nothing). How do you see this kind of critique?
Life is unequal. So it’s no surprise that the web is unequal. But here is another way to look at it. Today, only the famous celebrities get free vacations, cars and endorsement deals. But now lots of normal people who just happen to be an expert and influential in something can experience a little celebrity too. It’s a way for hard working people to get noticed and rewarded for their work too! Not everybody can be a movie star, but everybody can be influential in something and work hard to show it.
On the other hand, some defend the idea of democratization of influence. Not only politicians and actors, for instance, but regular users can fight for influence. What is your opinion?
I think this is definitely true. We are in the era of the citizen influencer. Everybody can have a voice. There are many common working people who can now be recognized for their authority. I think even I am an example of that. I’m not a pro athlete or celebrity. But I do work hard on my blog {grow} and it is making a difference in people’s lives. So, yes, I am a common person but I have influence too.
Apparently, there is a gap between online influence and offline influence. Will the technology be able to bridge this? Or do you think this will remain in separate arenas?
This is really the core of the online influence debate. As far as I can see into the future, I think there will always be some disconnect between offline and online behavior. However, with geo-location applications it is becoming more possible to tie online behaviors with say, going to a store or eating at a restaurant. This is being recorded and connected to conversations. Augmented reality will take us even further in that direction. So there will be a bigger online-offline connection than people can imagine, I think. The technology is moving us toward that connection, not away from it.
How can the users’ influence be combined with other types of data mining from social network sites? Could this mean more privacy concerns?
For the most part, the scores are being determined through public information like tweets and status updates. So it is aggregating and sorting information you are volunteering any way. In that respect I don’t think there will be additional privacy concerns but I do think the profiling that will occur is going to startle people. But that is occurring everywhere. If I type an email in Google, moments later ads related to the subject of my email appear. That sort of profiling is at the heart of these advertising models and it will just get much more detailed and granular.
This could be another step of celebrity culture developing into the internet?
I think people make celebrities into celebrities, not the Internet! We are already in a celebrity culture. The Internet simply amplifies it.
What do you think? How is power and influence being re-defined on the Internet? Are you more influential online or offline?
The making of a social media slut
Jul 20th
I crossed the line. I think I have become a social media slut.
Before I tell my tale, let me relate a few of my experiences this week …
- A very talented friend told me he was rejected for a job at a major ad agency because his Klout score was too low.
- A B2B marketing agency Managing Director told me he chose between two qualified candidates based on their Klout score.
- A friend in D.C is creating a Klout 50 Club exclusive to people with high Klout scores. Why? He wants to find good hires for social media marketing.
- A woman told me her boyfriend was accepted to a prestigious conference based on his Klout score alone.
These experiences occurred in the span of 72 hours.
This morning I had coffee with a family friend who just graduated from college and is seeking her first job as a writer/content creator. She was eager to seek my advice on what she should do to get ahead and land a job.
My leg began to twitch. My hands became cold and clammy. My lips quivered.
And then the terrible words came out of my mouth. “You need to take a hard look at your Klout score. It could make a difference if you’re seeking an entry level social media job.”
Oh my God. What did I just say?? What have I done? I recommended that this young lady game a score to get a job? That she needed to focus on an internet RATING of her worthiness?
I felt sick and … dirty. Filthy. Slutty.
I still do. This isn’t what I want social media to be about. This is not what I want people to aspire to. And yet, I can’t ignore what’s happening out there. Facts are facts. I would have been remiss to NOT mention it to her.
An algorithmic measure of influence can never tell the whole story, but it seems that it is starting to become a quick and easy indicator of … something. Something that people are grabbing on to. In a world where people are auto-responding their relationships and making business decisions based on 140-character sound bites, this thing seems to be going mainstream.
I’ll turn this over to you and your comments. I need to scrub down.
Does +K affect your Klout score? (and other juicy Klout nuggets!)
Jul 10th
I’ve been wondering about this new +K function on Klout — an ability to reward people for their “influence” on certain subjects. In fact I thought the development was somewhat disturbing because it seems to invite people to game the system.
I know a lot of people hate the idea of being rated on Klout but I am sincerely impressed by the way the young company is pursuing a disciplined and rigorous approach to creating a constantly-improving approximation for influence. It’s far from perfect, but I give them props for focusing on the right thing — improving their algorithms by investing millions of dollars in technology and PhD-level resources.
So why in the world would they open themselves up to be gamed with this new +K thing? I am already seeing people ASK to be awarded +K points in hopes of raising their score as they seek valuable new Klout Perks.
Well, as it turns out, the +K designation is fairly meaningless at this point. I asked Klout co-founder Joe Fernandez about this innovation and here is his answer:
“The +K award does not affect your Klout score,” he said. “We put it out for a few reasons – to drive engagement and to help build-out our models around topics.”
Joe compared it to a personal “like” button to reward somebody for a job well done. “If I came to Knoxville and you recommended a restaurant to me and I went there, I should be able to give you a +K to acknowledge that. Or if I’m sitting at a conference and listening to a panel where somebody is making amazing points I never thought of – I should be able to give them a +K and reward them. That’s the idea.”
Joe did not discount the possibility that +K points could play a role in assessing influence. “We would not dismiss the possibility that it might be factored in some day, but the integrity of the score is so important so we would have to take baby steps. When we put the +K feature out, we didn’t even know if anybody would use it or what would happen. We’re analyzing the data now. Everything we look at is user-generated content, no different than a re-Tweet. We have to just be smart as to how we include +K– if it ever gets included at all.”
Here are a couple more Klout score nuggets I learned from Joe:
Influence of multiple platforms –While Klout is only connected to a few social media platforms today, it may be integrated with dozens in the next few months. Being spread thin across these networks does not necessarily help your Klout score. “As far as somebody being on three social networks versus 50, we’re network agnostic,” Joe said. “So if you’re just on Yelp or Twitter or Facebook, you could have a higher score than somebody who has a little influence but on more social networks.”
The factors of influence — Klout’s official blog names 35 different factors being considered when weighing on influence but that list is already climbing as the company learns more about the nature of online influence. “We are constantly adding factors,” Fernandez said. “I’m guessing we’re over 50 now. Our science team of 10 people — that’s their job every day to refine that and make it better. As we moved from Twitter to other networks, we would have these debates internally about is a Facebook Like equivalent to a Twitter RT … sort of like a currency exchange question! We came to the conclusion that all of these networks are different so every network must have its own ground-up influence algorithm. We have another algorithm that combines the scores for you — not generically for everybody. So, if your most effective platform is Facebook, it will take up the bulk of your scoring and everything else is added in. I think the algorithm will be hundreds of data points or thousands at some point. It’s infinite complexity.”
Artificial connections — I asked Joe about the issue I raised on {grow} last week — how people seem to be using a strategy of trying to artificially connect with people with high Klout scores to improve their own scores. He said that gaming the system this way is difficult: “While much of the score is based on how influential the people are that are interacting with you, it would be really hard to manipulate the score unless you get a bunch of people trying to do it at the same time you are. But they would put their audience (and their score) at risk by helping you with that effort. So, we don’t see anything happening like that on a mass scale but we have a whole team monitoring for that sort of thing, including people with past experience at Google who have already lived through that sort of thing!”
Klout has a big challenge ahead — continue to refine its model, manage growth in a smart way (quadrupling its staff this year) and take advantage of monetization opportunities like Klout Perks. But I do sense it’s gaining traction and they have more or less owned the buzz in this space.
What do you think about Klout? Interested? Obssessed? Or a non-event?
Klout will introduce detailed new analytics (video)
Mar 13th
I had the fortune of interviewing Klout CEO Joe Fernandez at SXSW and hope you’ll enjoy this short video.
While I only had a few minutes before we were literally being kicked out of the room, Joe discloses plans for a detailed new website. Joe participated in two panels here in Austin and was quite open about the opportunties, and the problems, of his social scoring system. “Can you remember what Google was like in 1997?” he said. “That’s where we are with Klout, that’s the mission we’re on. It’s almost a ridiculous challenge.”
In addition to the short comments I captured on video here, Joe mentioned that Klout has been on a hiring frenzy to keep improving his service. The four prioirities he articulated were:
- Addressing spam and bots
- Focus on better defining influence by topic
- Aligning his service with the goals of brands
- Looking at different languages and countries.
He also mentioned several recent successes with Nike, HP and Clairol. “With Clairol, we targeted users of lip gloss and and found passionate bloggers who loved the product and the brand. Even I was surprised that we could have success with lip gloss.”
He also hinted that the actual Klout score we see publically is just ”the tip of the iceberg” of analytics he is bringing to brand managers.
Joe has been a frequent visitor on {grow} — primarily to address controversy — and acknowledged that when he planned his product offering, the “ego component” was something he had not thought through. ”It’s been interesting to say the least,” he said. “But we keep improving the experience as best we can.”
Hope you enjoy the video. Let me know your thoughts on this latest information from Klout.







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